Graco Argos 80 Elite 3-in-1 Review


Argos 80 out of the box


For the last several years Graco has had two combination seats available for purchase,  the Argos 65 and the Nautilus. Both models have two modes: forward-facing harnessed mode and a booster mode that fits most children well.  These seats have been around for a while and are two very popular options at CSFTL because they fit a range of children well and have a lot of great ease-of-use features.

The range of Graco’s offerings in this category has expanded with the addition of the Argos 80.  It’s based on the shell and design of the Argos 65, but has a few added features that allow it to be rated for children weighing up to 80 pounds.

So… what makes the Argos 80 Elite 3-in-1 car seat different from the Argos 65?  The obvious answer is 15 lbs, but there is more to it than that.  Let’s take a closer look.




CSFTL Quick Stats


  • Forward facing weight range: 20-80 lbs
  • Forward facing height range: 27”- 52″
  • High back booster weight range:  30-100 lbs
  • High back booster height range: 38-57″
  • Backless booster weight range: 40-120 lbs
  • Backless booster height range: 40-57”
  • Highest harness position: 18”
  • Highest booster guide position: 19.5″
  • Expiration: 10 years
  • Lower anchor weight limit: 45 lbs



  • Seat belt lockoff
  • Adjustable crotch strap (6″, 7.25″, and 8.5″ from the back of the seat)Argos80unassembled
  • Three recline settings
  • Body support cushion
  • No re-thread harness
  • Allows use of lower anchors in booster mode
  • Cupholder and cubby holes



Graco Argos 80 Seat Pan

Graco Argos 80 Seat Pan



The Argos 80 Elite comes out of the box in a prone position. The back portion needs to be rotated up perpendicular to the bottom portion. Even though that sounds tricky, the directions are clear and easy to follow. The only part to note is that the hip straps must be threaded through the slits in the padding. They can easily get caught in the crease when assembling.





Explanation of Features


Argos 80 Features

The no-rethread harness allows this seat to be easily adjusted for correct fit when used by different children, without uninstalling the seat from the vehicle.  It also means that you don’t need to uninstall the seat to adjust the harness height as your child grows. Simply squeeze the red handle to raise or lower the headrest. The harness straps travel with the headrest. Graco states to have the straps “even with or just above the shoulders” – this will place the headrest in the correct position.


A body support cushion is included in the box. It is required with a child from 20 to 22 lbs., and optional up to 30 lbs (it cannot be used over 30 lbs). Please note: A 10.5 month child in the 50th percentile would weigh 22 lbs. A child that young needs to be rear facing for safety. CSFTL recommends (along with the AAP and NHTSA) rear facing until a minimum of 2 and as close to age 4 as possible.


Three available recline positions serve primarily to assist in fitting the seat to different vehicle seats, but also can be adjusted to a position most comfortable for the child.   The most upright position MUST be used for children weighing over 65 lbs OR over 49 inches tall (this applies to both harness and booster mode).


Children will love the covered armrest with inside cubby holes, outer pockets and convenient cupholder.




Argos 80 Lock Off


Argos 80: cat ears not included.

The Argos 80 Elite comes with a lock-off for use with seat belt installation. This is a new feature of the Argos 80 and we’re pretty excited about it.  The Argos has a fairly high belt path so installing previous versions of this seat in some wider captain’s chairs with a seat belt was a bit of a challenge.

We’re pleased to share that the lock-off made a big difference in how easy it was to install the Argos with a seat belt.  Just thread the vehicle belt through the belt path, and close the lock-off over the shoulder portion of the belt (on the retractor side). The lock-off snaps closed very easily even with the belt threaded. The resulting installation was secure and held the belt firmly in place.

Graco allows the use of the lower anchors until 45 lbs of child weight in accordance with the 2014 LATCH changes. The lower anchor connectors are the “hook on” style.  They clip onto the lower anchors.  Removing them can be difficult, especially with a very firm install.  One trick to remove these anchors is to put some pressure on the Argos while loosening the lower anchor strap.

 Don’t forget the last part of the install: always use your tether.


Fit to Child: Harnessed Mode



Taking the Argos 80 for a spin!

The Argos 80 Elite offers four different harness positions for growing children (note: there is a 5th headrest position that is only allowed in booster mode).  It also has rather wide harness covers that are required at all times.  These covers have rubberized backs and enable this seat to be used to 80 lbs.  The wide covers may provide an awkward fit on a smaller child.    The chest clip must sit on the pads and when positioned properly, the rounded top corners on the pads push into either side of the neck.  If you have a child that is sensitive to fabrics, materials or has sensory issues, you would want to consider this when purchasing.


Our three harnessed models ranged in weight from 36-38 lbs and 41″-42.5″ height.  They all liked the cupholder and “secret” compartments.  Two of them found the seat to be comfortable and enjoyed riding in it.  The 3rd child did not find the harness covers comfortable and claimed they hurt her neck.

The Argos Elite 80 does an excellent job keeping most children harnessed until they are ready for boosters.   It will last most children to age 6-7 in harnessed mode.


Argos 80 Crotch Buckle Settings


Crotch Buckle Adjustment and Use

In a small but important update, Graco has added a third position for the buckle, creating more room as children grow.  Use the one closest to, but not under your child.  To move the crotch buckle, thread the metal part through the slot and re-thread in the new slot.  We were excited to find the buckle easier to move than on previous Graco combination models.  

Fit to Child: Booster


High back booster mode

Simply remove the harness straps and crotch buckle, and you are ready for the high back booster mode.  Graco allows you to use the lower anchor connectors and tether to secure the booster to prevent it becoming a projectile when not in use.


The Argos 80 Elite does NOT allow any overhang when used in booster mode.  The entire bottom must be on the vehicle seat.  In addition some vehicle headrests may tilt forward causing the back of the Argos 80 Elite to not make contact with the seat.  Graco does not allow a gap behind the Argos 80 Elite.  Remove the vehicle headrest, if possible, to eliminate the gap.


Any recline position may be used in booster mode, but if the lap belt is not positioned correctly, adjusting the recline may help.  NOTE: The most upright position MUST be used for children weighing over 65 lbs OR over 49 inches tall (this applies to both harness and booster mode).


Thread the lap belt in front of the red guide.

Thread the lap belt in front of the red guide.

The shoulder belt goes through the red belt guide and the lap portion will thread in the vehicle belt guide behind the armrests.  The belt will actually be positioned vertically, not horizontally in front of this belt guide (see picture).  As always, check for a proper belt fit in booster mode: lap belt low and snug across the hips, and shoulder belt crossing mid-shoulder.  Adjust the head support (5 available settings) to improve shoulder belt fit.  The red belt guides should be even with or just above the child’s shoulders.


Backless booster mode

Backless booster mode


As a true 3-in-1 seat, the Argos 80 Elite also can be used as a backless booster.  Simple lift the seat pad on the base of the seat and slide the red buttons to release.  Once this lowers the back, you will see another set of red buttons.  Pinch them together to remove the back.


When using as a backless booster, there is an optional shoulder positioning clip.  This was shipped in a plastic bag and not attached to the seat.  In order to use, it attach it to the slot on the bottom of the seat.








The Graco Argos 80 Elite 3-in-1 will do all three modes – harness, high back booster, and backless booster- well for most children.  With its high weight limit, it allows parents to harness their children longer until they are mature enough for boosters.  Most children will enjoy the features and comfort of the seat, but if you have a child with sensory issues or that is sensitive to touch or materials, the harness covers may be an issue.


Currently the Graco Argos 80 Elite 3-in-1 is available in two color choices.  Gatlin, which is dark grey and black, is available at a variety of retailers.  Astro, which is black and cream, is exclusive to Babies R Us. Would you like to win one for your Little? Graco is giving away one Argos 80 Elite, enter using the Rafflecopter widget below.


Graco graciously provided the Argos 80 Elite used in this review.  As always, the opinions are our own.
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Jané Montecarlo R1 Review

For those who have been around the car seat world long enough, Jané is a familiar name. In 2003, Jané brought boosters with lower anchor capability to the US. Jané has been quiet for a while in the car seat world though, in the US anyways. They introduced the Montecarlo R1 to their European market and just now brought it here to the US. Let’s see what this new seat has to offer.

Jane Monte Carlo

CSFTL Quick Stats: 

  • High back booster weight range: 30-100 lbs.
  • High back booster height range: under 57″
  • Highest belt guide position: 20″
  • Expiration: 7 years
  • Does not become a backless booster


  • One recline position
  • Three position adjustable arm rests
  • Rigid lower anchor connectors
  • Aluminum Integral Adjustment System
  • Torso wings and head wings adjust in width
  • EPS foam in head and torso areas
  • Comes with lower anchor attachment guides


The Montecarlo comes out of the box preassembled. I was so excited to see the Flame color in person, it’s much prettier than the pictures online show. Yale or Klein are also available color choices. All are very mature colors for older kids, which is nice. The cover on the Montecarlo is nicely padded and would be a good choice for even the most discerning booster users. The cover is also easily removed for cleaning. It’s held on to the booster with a series of snaps built on to the seat and velcro straps around the head support. The snaps have unsnapped a few times on the bottom front from regular use, but they’re super easy to resnap. The cover is made from a soft polyester blend that is meant to breathe in the summer and help retain heat in the winter. There are vent holes all along the back of the seat and on the side bolsters to help with breathability. Not something you see in most boosters.



The storage spot for the manual is very clearly marked so there are no excuses to not read it! Manage to lose it even with a specially marked spot? No worries. There is a handy QR code on the side of the seat that takes you to the manual online.



While going through the manual, one of the first things I found was the age limit was listed as approximately 1.5-12 years old for the Montecarlo.

Yay on the 12! Our booster seat science post goes over all the whys of using a booster that long. On the flip side, a child should be rear facing until two to four years old and should not be in a booster until at least five. Our harness or booster post goes over what to look for when thinking about switching to a booster.


If you’ve never used rigid lower anchor connectors, trust me, you’ll love them. We don’t know that having them on boosters add any safety benefit, but they are great for those kids who forget to buckle the seat belt over the booster when they get out of the vehicle. Unoccupied boosters can be a projectile in the vehicle like anything else that is loose; lower anchor connectors fix that. Rigid connectors make it that much easier for caregiver to use over the traditional ones. The Montecarlo does come with covers on the connectors to protect them (and the vehicle) if they are not in use. Remove those, slide out the lower connectors, attach to anchor bars, and push booster into the seat. The sliding out of the lower anchors is not an easy task. I find having it done it a few times now that the buttons you push have loosened up some making it easier, but it’s something you’ll need to read the manual for as it’s not necessarily self explanatory.


Another feature is the aluminum integrated into the back support and head support. It gives it structure while still keeping it lightweight. The head support has five positions to fit a variety of children. When positioned correctly, the belt guide needs to be as close to even with the shoulder as possible, but never below. It also has three position adjustable arm rests. Having it in the highest position seems to help make buckling a little easier. The Montecarlo also features a mechanical recline position, which can only be engaged without the child in the seat, so you must adjust prior to the child climbing in. I didn’t see a big difference between the positions but it might be nice if you know you’ll be going on a longer trip and you tend to have a noodle kid when they fall asleep. The torso and head support should do a good job at keeping most kids positioned well though.
Jane Monte Carlo


The biggest feature of the Montecarlo is the fully adjustable torso and head support; both are lined with energy absorbing foam. This foam is meant to absorb some of the energy from the crash meaning less crash forces are transferred to the child. There are two knobs on the side of the seat, one makes the torso support adjust wider and more narrow and one controls the head support. This makes it a great seat for children of all sizes and can customize the fit to them. I found even with it fully open, this booster is more suited to children with a narrower frame. Also, the torso knob sticks out an odd angle in vehicles with side bolsters. You can see how above it is running into the side of my captain’s chair. This has made the knob loose and hard to use when the seat is installed in this vehicle. If you recline the vehicle seat, you will have better access to the knob. Be sure to put the seat back upright again before moving the vehicle.




This is Olivia showing off the most narrow and the most open head support positions. She’s just over 5.5 years old and right at 50 lbs. and 46″. Her favorite feature was the adjustable head wings. She liked them tight on her head to ‘squish’ her. She fit great in the seat and was on the fourth position (barely) of five with some growing room before she’d need the highest position.


Addison2This is Addison, she’s 6.5 years old, 41 lbs. and 45″. She is right on the cusp of being too tall for the bottom position, so the second seems to fit her a little bit better. She had great leg support even though she has such long legs for her height. You can see how torso height can change the length of time a booster can be used when you compare her to Olivia above. Olivia is only 1″ taller but needs the fourth guide position.



IlanaIlana will be 8 in less than a month and still uses a high back booster. She’s 67 lbs. and 49.75″ and using the highest belt guide position with little growing room. You can see it’s a bit shallow for her and I feel kind of pushes her forward. She didn’t complain though and seemed to find it comfortable and chose to use it over her regular booster when given the chance. She did mention she felt a bit squished in the shoulder and arm region because of the torso support but at the same time found it cozy. Eight year old girls might not be the best source of solid information. Unfortunately she has little room left height wise anyways and it does not become a no back booster.




Evan will be 10 in less than two months and still uses a high back booster as well most of the time. He’s 63 lbs. and 51″ and is also using the highest belt guide position. His torso isn’t quite as long so he has a little bit more room to grow than his younger sister. He liked being able to adjust the head wings himself and he too likes the seat to ‘squish’ his head. Silly kids! Again, it’s rather shallow for his legs but with more narrow build, it doesn’t seem as noticeable. He’s also not feeling as tight in the torso area because of his narrow build.


My favorite activity (maybe not favorite) is finding more seats that work in my three across in my third row. With five kids, all in some kind of seat, it’s like a game! We tried the Montecarlo in the back with an Evenflo Sureride and Harmony Folding booster. With its narrow frame (when the torso protection is adjusted inward) and adjustable arm rests, I thought we might have a winner. I was kind of right. It fit nicely and could get buckled, but because of the head wings it could only get to position four of the five settings which meant it did not work for either of the older kids back there. If it were next to a rear facing seat, you would have more flexibility in the torso protection position.




A feature I didn’t have much use for in my vehicle, were the lower anchor attachment guides. My lower anchors are right there, plain sight, you won’t miss them. I’ve worked with some parents in vehicles that where I almost gave up on lower anchors completely and just went to seat belt because the anchors were so hard to access. That’s where these little guys can come in handy. You simply attach them to your lower anchors and it helps guide the rigid connectors onto the bars. Releasing the connectors isn’t a concern, it’s just getting them attached in some vehicles that can be tricky.


Overall the kids give it a thumbs up with it probably being most suited to our younger booster user. It really grew on me as we used it. They loved the head wings and the cover was really nice and soft, much more than our other seats. The lower anchors make it easy to install and keep in place when unoccupied and it also seems it would work in a three across situation. It also kept the booster in place nicely. We tried it in our older Cavalier and it was a bit tippy for our newest booster rider. She had a hard time keeping upright, but it would probably be fine for an older, more experienced rider. For the price point though, I was hoping it would be a little deeper and the head support would adjust higher as it does not become a no back booster. The Montecarlo should get most children to around 8 years old, but as kids need boosters for 3-4 years after that, it’s disappointing it would be outgrown so soon. Now if you have a petite child like Evan above, or a smaller torsoed child like Addison, the price may work out better in the end. It also doesn’t have a cup holder. Not a big deal as I find most cup holders on boosters don’t do a good job at holding drinks, but my kids like having a little place to put things when we’re in the vehicle.


montecarloJané was generous enough to provide a Montecarlo for giveaway to one of our readers. Be sure to enter below. Can’t wait to win one? Buy it now! You can find the Jané Montecarlo R1 on While Jané did provide the Montecarlo for review, no other compensation was provided. As always, opinions were all my own.



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Clek Fllo Review


It’s finally here! The day we’ve all been waiting for. Clek Foonf’s little sister has arrived, Fllo! The Clek Fllo is just as stylish and modern looking at the Foonf and I’m digging this Tank color. My first impression was definitely being pleasantly surprised at how much it weighs! Dragging it up my stairs was not the work out the Foonf had been. So let’s dive in!

fllo box

CSFTL Quick Stats:

  • Rear facing weight range: 14-50 lbs. (USA) 14-40 lbs. (Canada) and sitting unassisted
  • Rear facing height range: 25″ through 43″, so 43.99″ technically
  • Forward facing weight range: 22-65 lbs. (2+ years recommended)
  • Forward facing height range: 30-49″, shoulders above the highest harness height
  • Lowest harness position: 10″
  • Highest harness position : 17″ (5 harness positions)
  • Expiration: 9 years
  • Lower anchor weight limit: 35 lbs. rear facing and 40 lbs. forward facing


  • Two buckle slots: 4 and 6″ with option for longer buckle
  • One rear facing recline position and one forward facing
  • Push button lower anchor connectors
  • Steel reinforced frame
  • Optional anti rebound bar (ARB)
  • Crypton fabric is odor, bacteria, and stain repelling (except Drift)
  • Seat belt lockoff


The Fllo boasts an amazing 50 lbs. rear facing weight limit. It also has a steel reinforced frame and anti-rebound bar (ARB). Now we have no idea if steel anything actually makes a seat safer, but it sure does look and sound cool. It is important to note that the Fllo has a standing height limit of through 43 inches (so 43.99 inches is ok), so it is likely that most children will outgrow the Fllo rear facing by height well before they reach the 50 lb. weight limit. The Fllo also uses the one inch rule as well, so through 43″ or when the head is within one inch of the head rest when fully extended. Not sure why high rear facing height and limits are important for many children, Why Rear Facing has the answers!

The Fllo has five harness positions, ten head rest positions, two crotch buckle positions, and two harness lengths. All harness positions can be used when rear facing as long as the harness is even with or below the shoulders and the requirements above are met. They can all be used when forward facing as well as long as the harness is above the shoulders. The head rest can be in any position that is comfortable for the child as long as it is above the harness slot the child is currently using and keeping in mind the 1 inch needed above the child’s head when rear facing.

Fllo harness

There are two crotch buckle positions. The proper position is the one closest to the front of the child’s body without being in front of it. Either can be used for rear facing or forward facing as long as it’s in the proper position. The Fllo comes with a dual length crotch buckle. The longer buckle position is for use in the outer buckle position. It can be used rear facing if the child is able to use the farthest out position according to the manual. My two-year old is petite and still has quite a bit of room before she could use the farthest out position when she’s not in a cloth diaper. Be sure when switching crotch buckle position you are putting the buckle through the correct opening in the seat cushion as well. The Fllo comes with a crotch buckle pad that must be used for children under 22 lbs. There are also two loops at the end of the harness to adjust harness length. The shorter one is for smaller children and the longer one for older children. If installing the seat without a tether for a child weighing less than 40 lbs., you must use the smaller setting.

Rear Facing

To get the seat ready for use when rear facing, there were a few things that needed to done. To recline the Fllo, it has a recline block that flips forward on the seat. I didn’t even see it at first and had to look in the manual again to find the recline foot. It takes a little bit of force to make sure it locks into place in the recline position and to release it from that position as well. You would add the ARB next if you’re using it. I had to reread the manual here too. Once reading the manual the process was fairly easy. You must remove the seat cushion and lower anchors from their storage in order to get it on properly.


There are two recline lines on the side of the seat. One for children under 22 lbs. and one for children over 22 lbs. Once a child is over 22 lbs, they can use any recline between the two lines as well. This can be important for those stockier, younger babies who still could use the extra recline. Pool noodles are not permitted to be used to change the angle though. I found using the ARB to adjust recline tends to work well. Move the ARB higher on the back of the vehicle seat and this will naturally recline the seat more. This tends to work better if you can get behind the seat and push the seat into the vehicle seat, but this can be hard to do because of the sheer size of the seat. I could not do it in my van and it made the seat want to slip out of the recline I needed as I was tightening so it was a bit tricky. There will be a gap with this method, but this is not a concern if the seat is installed so that it doesn’t move more than an inch side to side at the belt path. I could not install the Fllo to the under 22 lb. recline line with the ARB attached and have the driver’s seat in a usable position. This is something to consider if you have a petite child, as Unity didn’t hit 22 lbs. until after 18 months old. Thankfully she is 25 lbs. now and able to use the more upright recline line.


The nice thing about the Fllo is that the ARB is optional and can be removed if needed. This is helpful as the Fllo allows for no overhang when installed. Removing the ARB will give you extra space to move the seat closer to the vehicle seat back.  Putting the ARB on and removing it was quite easy too after you do it the first time. Once I took it off, I could have gotten the seat reclined to the under 22 lb. line on the passenger side of the van, but not the driver’s side. Here is the difference in using the ARB and not using it when reclining it to the over 22 lb. line. You can see it easily gives an extra 2″ more between the Fllo and the vehicle seat in front of it. I tried to install the Fllo in my Cavalier as well, didn’t even bother with the ARB, and it was a tight fit. At full recline, the front seat wasn’t usable and you could only use the bottom five head rest positions. In the more upright recline, I could sit in the front seat but was right up against the dash so I wouldn’t recommend it for a smaller car if you routinely have a front passenger.


The Fllo can be installed rear facing with either lower anchors or seat belt. The seat cushion of the seat must be removed to access the belt path for installation. Neither installation was difficult though so choose your preference and keep kiddo’s weight in mind. Lower anchors can be used for installation until the child weighs 35 lbs. For 30-50 lbs., the seat belt must be used instead. This seat does also have built-in lock offs for both forward facing and rear facing. This is great if you have an older vehicle or switch vehicles often and don’t want to figure out how each of the seat belts lock. If you do want to know more, Lock It Up! has the information you need.

If  you choose to use the lock offs, they are not necessary if your seat belts lock, only one lock off is used. Neither is specified, just whichever gives the better install. In my Cavalier, I had to use the lock off closest to the buckle because of the seat belt button. Remember you’re looking for less than an inch movement side to side at the belt path. I chose lower anchors to install the seat the first time. The Fllo only has a tightening mechanism on one side of the lower anchor connector strap, which is fairly typical, but with as large as the seat is, it made it a little harder to get the seat installed tightly. I much preferred the seat belt install. Upon installing it again, it was easier that time. I think the latch connector strap was just stiff from it not being used much and that made it a little harder to tighten.

Fllo install


This is Unity, she just turned two last month and is roughly 25 lbs. and 32.25″ tall. She’s using the second harness slots from the bottom (almost to the third). As she is over 22 lbs., she doesn’t have to use the crotch buckle pad, and can use the steeper recline level. She does however have to use the closest crotch buckle setting with the shortest crotch buckle. It is a little tight though as she is in cloth diapers.


Forward Facing

The Fllo can be installed forward facing with the same methods as rear facing. Just like rear facing, the Foonf has lock offs for forward facing as well. When using the seat belt with a forward facing install, the lock off must be used. The recline foot needs to be moved back to the forward facing position. Clek recommends the use of the tether whenever possible. The seat requires a tether to be used when installing the seat with a lap belt though and when installing the seat with a lap/shoulder belt for a child over 40 lbs. Using a tether is always the safest option. The seat also requires the belly pad to be used up to 40 lbs. when installing with no tether.

fllo rfing

To install the seat forward facing, the lower anchor connector strap must be moved from the rear facing position to the forward facing. You simply remove the  strap on the right side of the seat (when facing the seat) and thread it through the forward facing belt path and the belt guides. You can use the lower anchors for installation until the child weighs 40 lbs. From 40-65 lbs. you must switch to a seat belt installation. To use the lower anchors, attach lower anchors and tighten as usual for the less than one inch movement side to side. Attach the tether to the vehicle’s tether anchor and you’re ready to go. The tether must always be used when installing with the lower anchors. With the addition of the belt guides in the forward facing belt path, there is less room to maneuver your hand and with the open back, the belts can be tricky to get all the way from one side to the other.


This is Olivia, she is 5.5, about 49 lbs. and 45.5 in. Olivia is tall for her age, but also has a long torso for her height. While she still barely meets the rear facing weight limit, she is too tall, so we put the seat in forward facing. You can see though, in this picture, that she is right at the top slots so the seat is pretty much outgrown. Once the child’s shoulders are over the top harness position, the seat has been outgrown. She was comfortable in it though and using the farthest out crotch buckle slot with the longer harness buckle.





Integrated into every Clek Fllo is an Aluminum Honeycomb Safety System designed to reduce the forces transmitted to a forward-facing child in a collision. Fllo’s Energy Absorbing Crumple Technology (EACT) transfers forces away from the child and to the aluminum honeycomb deformable cores integrated into the seat base. Here is the pre and post collision drawings of the honeycomb cores.


The fabric cover of the Fllo is made of Crypton odor, bacteria, and stain repelling fabric; making it easy to wipe down in case of everyday spills. Contact Clek customer service for an email set of instructions on how to fully disassemble the seat if a thorough cleaning is needed. If it is anything like the Foonf, try hard to keep the need for cleaning to a minimum!

fllo three



Another great feature of the Fllo is that it’s super narrow. The base of the seat measures only 13 inches, which the widest part is 17 inches. This can make it ideal for a three across when needed and the narrow base helps if you need to buckle in boosters next to it. Need more help with three across, Your Guide to Three Across may help. This is the Fllo, Evenflo Sureride, and Evenflo Big Kid in a 2002, four door, Chevrolet Cavalier.





Foonf FlloYou can buy the Clek Drink Thingy (for Fllo or Foonf) and use it both rear facing and forward facing for those sippy cups and water bottles in your life. It’s $19.99 on


clek copyThe Fllo is FAA approved and one of the available accessories for the Fllo is called the Weelee. It is Clek’s universal travel bag designed to protect your car seat from damage while traveling. While checking a car seat as luggage, or gate checking, is never recommended, the Weelee bag makes it easy to transport such a heavy seat through a busy airport. It then folds compactly to fit in an overhead compartment on a plane. You can purchase it at


Overall the Fllo is not a disappointment and lives up to the Clek name. It’s sleek, narrow, and fairly easy to use. With the ability to remove the ARB as needed, the Fllo does have some leeway when it comes to making it work for various vehicles. I did find using it with the under 22 lb. recline line, even with the ARB removed, was not very compatible with our vehicles, but could be done if needed. My models found it comfortable and Olivia was sad she couldn’t use it everyday. Overall, it was a hit. While FAA approved for use, it would be bulky to travel with but otherwise moving it from vehicle to vehicle shouldn’t take much work.


tankThanks to Clek, we are going to giveaway a Clek Fllo to one of our readers! This is open to both those in the United States and Canada. Can’t wait to see if you win? You can buy the Fllo at

Giveaway has ended, congrats to the winner Cristina B!

While Clek did provide the seat for this review, I was in no way compensated otherwise; and as always, opinions are all my own.

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KidsEmbrace Spiderman Review


Kids Embrace Spiderman Car Seat

Over the last year we have reviewed several seats from KidsEmbrace, including the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Seat and the Batseat.  When KidsEmbrace announced that they were releasing new character seats, we were excited to see which characters would come next.  When the news broke that Spiderman was next up in the KidsEmbrace line up, I jumped at the chance to review the seat.  My 4.5 year old loves My Little Pony, Frozen, and of course, Spiderman. First, let’s get to the limits of the seat.








CSFTL Quick Stats:

  • Forward facing weight range:  22-65 lbs.
  • Forward facing height range: 29-52″
  • High back booster weight range:  30-100 lbs.
  • High back booster height range: 38-57″
  • Highest harness position: 17″
  • Highest booster guide position: 19″
  • Expiration: 7 years
  • Lower anchor weight limit: 45 lbs.


  • Push button lower anchor connectors
  • Lower anchors can be used in booster mode
  • Recline setting


Unboxing the Spiderman seat.

Unboxing the Spiderman seat.


Unboxing the seat involves little bit of assembly to get Spiderman ready to roll.  He comes in a plastic bag without his head attached.












Headrest for the KidsEmbrace Spiderman car seat

Attaching the headrest/Spidey’s head is very simple — just slide it onto the body and push in the plastic adjuster piece.  This piece also serves as the headrest adjustment when using the seat as a booster.  There is a bit of cardboard that is wedged into the adjustment piece that must be removed before attaching the headrest.  The tether anchor strap is threaded through the head rest as well.  When you are attaching the headrest, make sure that the slack of the tether anchor strap is removed so that it doesn’t get caught in the height adjusters.


Attaching the headrest on the KidsEmbrace Spiderman car seat













Registration card for the Kids Embrace Spiderman car seat

Registration card for the Kids Embrace Spiderman car seat

The Spiderman seat comes with the manual and registration card attached to the harness. Registering your new car seat is an important part of owning a car seat, because it allows you be notified in case of recall.  If you don’t want to register your seat via the good old-fashioned postal service, KidsEmbrace also allows you to register your seat on their website.











2014-09-04-14.01.37The Spiderman seat has three sets of harness slots at 13 inches, 16 inches, and one harness slot that is over the back of the shell that is at approximately 17 inches.  This last harness slot is hard to find. At first glance, I completely missed it!









The seat also has two slots for the CrotchBucklecrotch buckle.  One at 5.5 inches from the back of the seat and one at 7′ inches from the back of the seat. When the crotch buckle is in the inner most position, it must be threaded through the back buckle first, and then kept into the first slot. Kids Embrace says that you must use crotch buckle position closest to, but not under the child.









Accessing the belt path for the KidsEmbrace Spiderman car seat

Installing the seat is pretty straightforward as well, but this is where I ran into a problem.  The belt path on the seat is very narrow, making it hard to thread the belt through to buckle it in.This makes buckling and tightening the seat, to get a solid installation quite difficult.  I had to lift up the cover of the seat in order to even get the buckle through the belt path. On the plus side, attaching the tether anchor was straight forward and easy, as was removing the slack from the top tether anchor.










ReclineFootThe seat also features a recline foot that can be used in both harness and booster modes. The recline foot  is found on the bottom of the seat.  I will note, that with the recline foot out, a solid install of the seat was not possible in either of the vehicles I tried it in.









Lower anchor limits

Lower anchor limits

Installing the seat with the lower anchors was a little bit easier, but still difficult because of the narrow belt path.  This seat was made after the new regulations for LATCH so it comes labeled with the weight limit for the lower anchors. Children weighting over 45 lbs. should not use the seat in harness mode when installed with lower anchors.  Once the child hits 45 lbs. you must switch to seat belt installation.   You may also use the lower anchors and tether anchor in booster mode.  Using the lower anchors and tether anchor in booster mode past the typical weight limit is allowed, because they are not restraining the child, merely preventing the seat from becoming a projectile when not in use by a child.









Fit to Child: Harnessed Mode

OliviaMeet Olivia.  Olivia is 4 years old, 43 inches tall and 44 lbs.She is using the last harness slot on the seat. The chest clip is large, making it easy to position in the correct spot; across the bony portion of her chest and not over the soft abdominal tissue, nor high in the neck area. The crotch buckle on the seat is very unique and features a push down button instead of the more standard button style crotch buckle that we see on many seats.

While this type of buckle may be beneficial to caregivers with arthritis or other physical disabilities, it is also concerning because it is easily undone by little hands. A bit of maturity is needed for the child using the seat to know not to unbuckle the harness at the wrong time.

The harness covers, although optional, are bulky and fairly rigid.  Despite the harness covers, she was smitten with the seat and has not stated quite loudly several times, that this is the only seat she will sit in.

Spiderman is a forward facing only car seat, making the seat appropriate for kids who have outgrown their rear facing convertible car seat and are at least two years old.



Fit to Child: Booster


Removing the harness on the Kids Embrace Spiderman car seat


Switching the seat from harness mode to boost mode was tricky.  There are many hooks, velcro loops, and plastic pieces that need to be undone to unthread the harness and remove the crotch buckle.  KidsEmbrace does provide a nice spot to store the splitter plate when using the seat in booster mode.  It looks quite different in person than the manual depicts it and was initially threaded through the front of the seat.  In order to use it, I had to squeeze it through to the back of the seat.  Putting the harness back on was even more challenging than removing it.  Thankfully, this is a process that wouldn’t have to be done very often.










Booster belt fit on the Kids Embrace Spiderman car seat

Emma is 7 years old, 53 lbs., and 49 inches.  She is using the middle position for the booster.  The booster is secured into the vehicle using the lower anchors and the tether anchor.  This doesn’t provide additional protection for the child, but it prevents the seat from becoming a projectile when it’s not occupied.

Once a child is using a booster seat, the seat belt is restraining them, not the seat.  The booster function simply places the adult belt correctly on the child.  Emma did not care for the seat, claiming it narrow and uncomfortable.







Overall Impression

Spidey2While I have to commend Kids Embrace for making seats that make kids WANT to use them, there are many drawbacks to the seat.  The narrow belt path makes installation tricky, the crotch buckle has finicky rules in the closest position, the harness is difficult to remove and reattach.  While this doesn’t impact safety, it does increase the chance of misuse.  That being said, my daughter is in love with this seat, and is happy to know that “Spidey” will keep her safe in the car.  The seat is well padded throughout and does provide an excellent belt fit in booster mode.

Spiderman will be a regular in my car, even if he surprises me in the rear view mirror every now and then!

KidsEmbrace provided this seat for review, however, no other compensation was received.  All opinions are that of the reviewer.

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Harmony Dreamtime Review

The Harmony Dreamtime, one of Harmony’s multiple belt positioning options,  serves a niche market in that is one of the few high back boosters still available that may be an acceptable option in a three across, due to its narrow lines and plumb sides.   While it doesn’t have the bells and whistles of many of the market’s more showy options, it is affordable, and provides an excellent belt fit in high back and backless mode, and as such, does what it is needed to do.

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Harmony Dreamtime

CSFTL Quick Stats:

  • High back booster weight range: 30-110 lbs.
  • High back booster height range: 34-57″
  • Backless booster weight range: 30-110 lbs.
  • Backless booster height range: 34-57″
  • Highest booster guide position: 18.5″
  • Expiration: 6 years









Assembly and Appearance:

The booster comes in three pieces.  The head rest is first snapped into the back rest, and then the entire back assembly into the bottom of booster.  It is then rotated up and locked into place.    The seat is made of blow-molded plastic.   The head rest does not have a mechanism for moving it between harnessed positions.  Rather, hand strength applied to the head rest moves it up and down to the desired position.     Two retractable cup-holders are placed on either side.   When retracted, they protrude about a half-inch from the side of the seat.    The wings surrounding the head and the torso are fairly deep, but not as wide as may be seen on other boosters, which is what makes it 3-across friendly.     The cover is a combination of a soft, brushed material, and mesh.    Fabric tabs at the belt paths feature red arrows indicating how the belt should lie. Harmony Dreamtime, hbb, nbb, booster, three across






High-back mode:

The seat’s one real draw-back, even for the very reasonable price point, is that the high back mode is very short-lasting.  The bottom position is a mere 14.5″ from the seat pan.   This generally correlates to the average 3 or 4 year old’s torso height.  At that age, children should be using a tethered, forward facing five point harness, or even a rear facing five point harness.   The topmost position is 18.5″ from the seat pan, meaning that the overall height limit of 57″ far surpasses the reasonable expectation of torso longevity.

Here, our 7-year-old model is 49″, 52 lbs, and as you can see, has maxed out the high back capacity of the seat.    However, he has an excellent lap and shoulder belt fit and declares it ‘comfy’.

Harmony Dreamtime, hbb, nbb, booster, three across



Backless mode:  

Our 8-year-old model is 65 lbs and 53″ tall.  Her torso is far too tall for the back on the Dreamtime, but she has a beautiful fit in backless mode.  The seat provides a shoulder belt adjuster but, as you can see here, it’s clearly not needed.   This seat excels in leg support; despite the narrow width, even a tall child has more than adequate support under her thighs.

Harmony Dreamtime, hbb, nbb, booster, three across



Fit in Vehicle:  

At its widest flare (at the tips of the armrests), the seat measures 16″.    The depth of the seat pan in backless mode is 16″ to where the seat begins to curve downward. Harmony requires that the entire base of its seats be supported by the vehicle seat.


Harmony recommends that when using this booster, the automatic locking feature be engaged effectively ‘locking’ the child in the seat.   This may increase the risk that a child experiences a submarining ejection from the lap belt and increases the risk of ‘torso ejection’ from the shoulder belt.

Harmony may have placed this suggestion in the manual to avoid very young children getting out of position.   With a bottom belt position of 14.5″, a bottom height restriction of 34″ and a bottom weight restriction of 30 lbs and no stated minimum age, most three-year olds, and in fact, some two-year olds, could ‘legally’ use this seat.   Car Seats for the Littles strongly recommends that 2 and 3 year olds continue to use their rear facing harnessed seats as long as they fit by height and weight, and then transition to a forward facing 5 point harness with tether.   A belt positioning booster is not an appropriate seat for this age group.

The good news is that if you keep your child restrained according to best practice standards, a child who might ‘wiggle’ out of position will still be restrained in a five point harness.   A child in a booster should be fully mature and ready to sit upright without added assistance.


This is a basic, well-designed, low-cost option that definitely fills a niche need for narrower seats.  And now, following the directions below, our readers have the opportunity to win one of their own. Congrats to Heather J. on winning the Dreamtime! Harmony did not provide this booster for review and I received no compensation from them. These thoughts are all my own. The giveaway is open to our US friends only, sorry!

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Urbini Petal Infant Car Seat Review

In February 2014 a new name in the car seat world took us by surprise.  Meet the newest addition to the Wal-mart car seat lineup, the Urbini Petal rear facing only car seat.


  • Weight Range: 4-35 lbs
  • Height Range: up to 32″ or head 1″ from the top of the shell
  • Shell height: 19.5″
  • Lowest harness position: 5.5″
  • Weight (carrier only): 7.8 lbs
  • Expiration: 6 years
  • Handle position: Any locked position


  • Seat belt lock off
  • 2 position adjustable crotch strap measuring 4.5″ and 6.5″
  • 2 position hip harness positions
  • Adjustable recline foot
  • Euro belt routing
  • Infant insert for infants and Preemie pillow insert for infants under 6 lbs

Car seat features
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This seat is very versatile for different sized infants.  It has 2 adjustable hip positions, 2 crotch buckle positions, and 4 harness positions.
Urbini Petal insert collage






To help ensure good small infant fit, the seat also includes an infant insert for use while the infant is at the bottom 2 harness position as well as a preemie insert for infants under 6 lbs.


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This seat also has 2 harness adjustment loops in the back of the seat.  Most higher weight infant seats are now incorporating this feature on their seats so that there is enough harness material for the older infants, but also little enough for the smallest infants.  One difference with the Urbini Petal is that it has velcro on the excess harness so it doesn’t hang off and get in the way.  This is a nice addition, but one problem I noticed with it is that with bigger infants the velcro can snag on the back as well as possibly rub their neck.


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Another unique feature is the seat release is on the base instead of the seat.  The nice part with this feature is that it makes the seat lighter to carry.  The only downfall to this is that in order for the seat to attach to the base, there are 2 metal bars on the back of the seat.  When threading the harness, the user needs to make sure that the straps are under the metal bars.


Child fit
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Jo – Preemie Huggable Images doll – 4 lbs, 17 inches
I absolutely LOVE the preemie fit in this seat.  The crotch buckle was right at her diaper, the hip straps were right at her hips, and her shoulders were right at the bottom harness slot.  The infant insert and preemie pillow also helped her fit in the seat perfectly.


Urbini Fiona fit



Fiona – Newborn Huggable Images doll – 7 lbs, 17 inches
She also had a great fit using the inside hip strap position, inside crotch buckle position, and infant insert.  The preemie pillow was taken out since it can only be used to 6 lbs.  I also tried her without the infant insert and she fit well without that as well.  She would probably still need rolled receiving blankets beside her head for support, but other than that, she fit very well.  She was right at the 2nd harness slot with and without the infant insert.  The infant insert needs to be removed when moving the harness to slots 3 and 4.

Anders Petal

He is our long term model and has used the Petal off and on since birth.  Here are a few photos of him at different ages in the Petal.  Overall his fit has been great.  At birth he weighed 9 lbs 2 oz and had already outgrown the infant insert.  We used rolled receiving blanket to help with slump until he was big enough for it to not be a problem.  The most annoying issue I’ve found lately (6 months) is that the velcro on the harness gets caught up in the slots when I tighten him up.  At 6 months he is right at the 2nd to top harness position.




Urbini Petal Omni, infant seat, carseat, infant car seat, premature baby car seat, lightweightFreya – 21.5 months, 20 lbs, 32″
***Disclaimer – this child has outgrown the seat due to her head being even with the top of the shell, even though she’s right at the stated height limit.***

Considering she is right over the limits of this seat, Freya still fit very well.  Her shoulders were right at the top harness height, hip straps were in the outside position, as well as the crotch buckle being in the outside position.  She was comfy and happy in it.

Vehicle Installation

Urbini Petal Omni, infant seat, carseat, infant car seat, premature baby car seat, lightweight With Base – The base was a very easy install with lower anchors or seat belt in my 2012 Nissan Quest with leather seats.  The belt geometry can sometimes be difficult when installing seats in this vehicle, so I was very pleasantly surprised at how nice the fit was.

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The base features a seat belt lock off for easy seat belt install as well as lower anchors.  The lock off is easy to use and I didn’t have any issues with the belt folding over or the clip being hard to lock over the belt.



Urbini Recline foot collage


It has a 2 position recline, which may be an issue in some vehicles, but they do allow the use of a tightly rolled towel in case the limited number of reclines is an issue.  They have specified that a pool noodle is not allowed and the foot of the base needs to be folded under into the base when using a rolled towel.


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It also has a 2 position level on the side of the base.  If the infant is under 20 lbs, the ball needs to be in the blue area, for 20-35 lbs, it needs to be in the grey.  I was able to get it in both sections by just pulling the recline foot out or putting it back under the base.

Without base – 

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The Urbini Petal has 2 different install methods for baseless installs.  It is following the same trend as many other rear facing only seats and allows Euro routing when installing baseless.  What this means is instead of laying the shoulder belt against the vehicle seat back, it is placed in a slot on the back of the infant seat.  This slot for Euro routing is NOT a lock off, so the seat belt will still need to be locked when installing with this method.  This routing helps get a tighter install in most vehicles.

Overall impressions

This has been one of my favorite rear facing only seats that I’ve used with Anders.  He fits well and seems comfortable.  It’s also a very lightweight seat so carrying around all 18 lbs of him doesn’t seem like such a hard thing to do.  The few drawbacks I’ve found are very minor and consist of mostly harness issues.  The harness material is thin and can twist easily, the harness needs to be rethreaded to adjust the hip strap positions making it a bit time consuming, and the velcro can get in the way of tightening as the child gets bigger.  Other than those few downfalls, I’m really impressed with the Urbini Petal.

Urbini Petal rfo seatDoes this sound like the perfect seat for you?  Urbini has been kind enough to offer a giveaway of the Petal rear facing only seat to one of our lucky readers.  To enter, follow the Rafflecopter instructions at the end of the review.

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Graco Milestone Review

Graco Milestone

Graco Milestone

When Graco announced the 4Ever 4-in-1 car seat, we were thrilled to have the chance to take a close look at it. It turns out to be a seat that works well in all 4 modes and we’re happy to list it on our Recommended Seats page. When the 4Ever’s new cousin, the Milestone, arrived on the scene, we were just as excited about taking a look under the hood! The Milestone has 3 modes: rear-facing, forward-facing and high back booster.








CSFTL Quick Stats:

  • Rear facing weight range: 5-40lbs
  • Rear facing height range: 1″ below adjuster button on headrest when fully extended
  • Forward facing weight range: 20-65lbs
  • Forward facing height range: <49″
  • Highback booster weight range: 30-100lbs
  • Highback booster height range: 38-57″
  • Shell height: 28″
  • Lowest harness position: 8″ with insert
  • Highest harness position: 17.5″
  • Highest booster guide position: 18.75″
  • No-rethread harness
  • Expiration: 10 years

Rear Facing

Size range: 5-40 lbs, 8″ lowest shoulder slot –  lasts until the child’s head is 1″ from the harness red adjuster button in the fully-extended headrest

Recline angle: 1 or 2

Graco Milestone rear facing level line

Graco Milestone rear facing level line

Rear facing, the seat has 2 different recline angles; angle 1 is the most reclined, angle 2 is more upright.  These levels are used to help achieve a proper install.  The recline level on the side of the seat indicates that the seat should always be level to the red line when rear facing.   This translates to rear facing = always being at a more reclined angle that we’d consider more appropriate for infants than older rear-facing children.


Graco’s engineers have said this about the level:

“We agree that the proper seat back angle should be between 30 to 45 degrees when measured from vertical and the seat is installed in a vehicle on flat ground. Older children can typically be more upright while small infants should typically be more reclined until they are able to maintain control of their head. For the Milestone car seat, when the level line is parallel or “level” to the ground the seat back angle is in the middle of the 30 to 45 degree range. In general each vehicle will dictate which recline positions (1 and 2) will position the level line such that its level with the ground depending on the angle of the vehicle seat. For smaller infants we suggest they be towards the more reclined end of the seat back angle range (recline position 1) and as the child grows they can become more upright (recline position 2). Note that we also allow the use of rolled towels to aid in achieving the proper seat back angle.”

Accessing the rear-facing lower anchors was a snap!

Accessing the rear-facing lower anchors was a snap!

Installing the Milestone using lower anchors in the rear-facing position was quite simple.  Using my non-dominant hand, I applied pressure to the seat while pulling the loop at the end of the lower anchor up through a well-placed gap between the seat cover and the seat.  This little space allowed me to thread the loop up and pull the anchors tight without any trouble.  I was really pleased at how quickly I was able to install the seat rear-facing using lower anchors. Installing the seat rear facing with the seat belt required the same fairly low effort level as the lower anchors.








Graco Milestone rear facing, recline level 1


I first installed the seat using the most reclined setting, position 1.  Even at the required angle, the seat is fairly compact compared to other seats with high rear-facing weight limits on the market.  I had to make my driver’s seat a little more upright than usual to accommodate the Milestone. Installing the seat at both angles using the lower anchors was stunningly easy.







Graco Milestone: fits our newborn model nicely

Graco Milestone: fits our newborn model nicely

Fit To Child: Rear Facing Newborn With the infant padding, the Milestone is a nice fit for our newborn model.  The model is 7 lbs and 17″ long. The manual states that the body support must be used if shoulders are below the lowest harness setting without the padding. Most newborns and young infants will likely need the infant padding to achieve a proper fit.









This model is 8 months old, 20 lbs and 29.5"

This model is 8 months old, 20 lbs and 29.5″

Older Infant

This model is 8 months old, weighs 20 lbs, and is 29.5″ tall.  She’s got plenty of rear-facing room to grow in the Milestone.  The manual doesn’t specify when to remove the infant padding, so we left it in for this model.  She seemed to find that comfortable. The fairly low sides of the seat made loading her a pretty simple task.








Graco Milestone fits an older toddler well, too!

Graco Milestone fits an older toddler well, too!

 Toddler — 17 Months

This model is 17 months, weighs 20 lbs, and is 30″ tall.  She’s got plenty of leg room and a lot of room left to grow.  She meets the legal minimum to ride forward-facing but she’ll be riding rear-facing until she reaches height or weight limits of her seat.









This model is 2 years old, weighs 35 lbs and is 35.5 inches tall

This model is 2 years old, weighs 35 lbs and is 35.5 inches tall

 Toddler — 2 Years

Though our model wasn’t very pleased with being in the seat, it fit him well.  He weighs 29 lbs and is 35.5 inches tall.  He’s got plenty of height left in this seat but may outgrow the seat rear-facing by weight first.










This model is just over the 40 lb rear-facing limit for this seat

This model is just over the 40 lb rear-facing limit for this seat


At 41 lbs and 42 inches, the 4.5 year old model here is just over the weight limit for rear-facing in this seat.  She’s shown here to illustrate the full range of sizes that the Milestone can accommodate rear-facing.  She also wanted us to mention that she found the seat very comfortable.









Moving the crotch buckle was so easy!

Moving the crotch buckle was so easy!

Crotch Buckle Adjustment

There are three crotch buckle positions — 5″, 6″, and 7″ from the back of the seat.  Moving the crotch buckle between these positions is yet another easy-to-use feature of the Milestone.  Just lift the cover to expose the crotch buckle slots, twist the webbing, and slide the buckle between positions. The crotch buckle doesn’t interfere with the belt path in any of the positions. Moving the crotch buckle on other Graco seats I’ve owned has been far more challenging than I care to admit, so the ease of use here is a big win for me! The correct slot is the one that is closest to your child without being underneath them.  The manual states that the lower anchor strap must always lie in front of the buckle when rear facing.


Switching Between Harnessed Modes

Switching the harness between rear and forward-facing modes is also fairly simple, though it requires a couple of steps. First, unsnap the front portion of the cover.  That’s right; there are extremely handy snaps that allow you to access all of the important parts of the seat, with a snap!

LATCH goes here

LATCH goes here

Second, with the cover unsnapped, reach into the seat pan and pull the lower anchor connectors up into the seat.  The connectors are attached via a unique bar, similar to the one found on the 4Ever.  This bar holds one side in place, to switch modes, slide the connectors up that bar until they’re at the forward-facing belt path.  Then push the connectors out through the sides, grab the connectors and install the seat. The belt path is clearly marked for both forward and rear-facing.   This type of clear labeling is a big step forward for the car seat world, as it can help increase the amount of proper use for this seat.  As CPSTs,  we applaud the clear labeling that’s found all over this seat.

Forward Facing Mode

Size range: forward facing: 20-65 lbs, <49″

Recline angle: 3 or 4

Graco Milestone Recline Levels

Graco Milestone Recline Levels

The Milestone can be used forward facing at reclines 3 and 4.  This was a little unclear to me at first — the label seems to indicate that only level 3, which is a bit of an angle, can be used forward facing.  The manual explained that both reclines are allowed forward facing. Installing the seat in forward facing mode using the lower anchors was almost as easy as the rear-facing install.  The manual clearly stated that the lower anchor weight limit is 42 pounds.  Note: use of the tether is an important safety feature, regardless of whether the seat is installed with the lower anchors or the seat belt. It took just a little more sweat equity to achieve a proper install with less than 1″ of movement at the belt path.

Graco Milestone in forward facing harnessed mode

Graco Milestone in forward facing harnessed mode

The harness itself is quite smooth and the adjuster is easy to reach in both modes.  At 11 inches, the seat pan is a bit shallow;  at first  my model didn’t find forward facing in this seat as comfortable as rear facing.

Installing the Milestone forward-facing with a seatbelt in my Mazda 5’s second row proved to be a bit of a challenge.  I’ve found that seats with a high belt path like the Milestone (and before it, the Graco Argos) don’t play well with the placement of the seat belt’s anchor points.  For some seats, this configuration has made a solid installation nearly impossible.

However, with a fair bit of sweat equity, I was finally able to get a solid install by buckling the seat, pulling all the slack out of belt at the retractor, then pulling the seat belt out to engage the child seat mode, pulling as much slack out of the belt as possible, then carefully unbuckling the belt and feeding it two clicks back into the retractor.  This took some coordination but eventually, I was able to get a solid install this way.

Installing the seat forward-facing in my Mazda 5’s insanely tricky third row proved impossible.  That row features a very odd seat belt placement that ‘s been the source of more than one car seat-related headache so I wasn’t surprised at this result.  I’ll try it again another time.

The middle section of Milestone’s cover snaps on and off for easy access to the harness, lower anchors, and belt path.  One huge benefit of this is that the cover doesn’t slide around when the child is getting into or out of the seat.  The cover’s fixed location plus the low sides have made the Milestone my new all-time favorite forward facing seat for my kiddo.  I didn’t realize how much frustration and cajoling had been in our routine until suddenly, she could access the seat easily and felt comfortable enough to…. Just.  Sit down.  For this alone, the Milestone has quickly  become one of our favorite seats ever.   Add in all of the other features that make the Milestone easy to use and Graco has created a seat that’s got so many things going for it.

Booster Mode

Graco Milestone Harness Storage

Graco Milestone Harness Storage

Switching between harnessed and booster modes is another thing Graco has done very well with this seat.  The entire harness tucks into a tidy little compartment behind the cover that closes with a very satisfying snap. Compare this to other combination seats, which require the harness to be removed either partially or taken all the way out, or to the Diono Radian, which requires caregivers to unbolt portions of the seat to access the harness and the Milestone earns high marks in this area. With a forward-facing harnessed child and a booster riding child in our family, we get a lot of use out of combination seats.  I’ve spent more time than I care to admit removing or re-assembling harnesses  so that the other child can use a particular seat or take a friend somewhere. The ease with which the Milestone moves between modes could be a real game-changer for families like mine.




Booster Fit

Graco Milestone in booster mode

Graco Milestone in booster mode

Size range: Highback Booster: 30-100 lbs, 38-57″

  • Recline angle: 4, can not hang over the car’s seat edge

My 8-year-old booster rider is extremely picky about her modes of transportation.  She’s slight of build and the lack of extra padding on her makes padding on her seat a top priority.  Every time I ask her to test drive a seat, I brace for her thumbs down. At first, the Milestone fell victim to her very selective criteria.  She found the shallow seat pan to be uncomfortable and she didn’t like the way the seat reclined — in booster mode, it’s a bit more reclined than her main booster.

However, after a solid week of testing this seat, she’s come to appreciate it more. Once I busted out the cup holder (which is installed separately but ships with the seat), having a spot for her trinkets seemed to make the difference and now she’s much happier riding in the Milestone. From the front seat, I wasn’t thrilled about the lap belt path — it’s not quite wide enough for the seat belt.  The belt bunched a bit at the belt path, making it hard for my model to thread the belt properly.  However, the belt fit is very good on both the lap and shoulder portions and my model found it easy to use properly.  At 18.75″, the top shoulder slot isn’t the tallest on the market, but my booster rider still has another click to go so this seat could last a child many years.

Graco Milestone shoulder belt guide

Graco Milestone shoulder belt guide

Shoulder Belt Guide

The shoulder belt guide is quite nice.  It’s easy to access when the headrest is above the shell of the seat. The open design makes threading the belt fairly simple and the extra bit of plastic helps keep the belt retracting smoothly. In my Mazda 5’s third row, the seat belt didn’t retract smoothly due to the forward placement of my seat belt retractor.  This is by no means the fault of the Milestone.








Overall Thoughts

The Milestone is a lightweight seat that’s easy to install and use properly in all 3 modes.  As someone who is often moving seats around, this is a huge plus. The shallow seat pan helps the seat be more compact when rear-facing but the trade-off is less leg support in the forward-facing modes.  This was an issue for both my models at first but may not be an issue for everyone. The Milestone has a lot to offer and could be a great choice for families with children of varying ages, caregivers who need one seat to be shared between multiple children, and it could be a nice option for a versatile, fairly lightweight travel seat.

It’s currently available in Wal-Mart & Target stores with an MSRP of $229.99, making it an affordable choice for many families. Installing the seat both rear and forward-facing using the lower anchors required very little sweat equity and the seat’s compact size make it an excellent option for rear-facing.   The seat belt install proved a bit trickier to achieve but overall, this is an excellent seat with a lot of easy-to-use features and clear labeling that warm the cockles of this CPST’s heart.

Graco graciously provided the seat featured in this review but as always, the opinions shared in this review are all our own!

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Britax Pinnacle 90 Review

Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Britax Pinnacle

When Britax announced their Click Tight technology, the CPST world was all ears.  Was it possible that almost all guesswork could be removed from car seat installation?  Could a new system make misuse nearly impossible?

We couldn’t wait to see, and many of us on the CSFTL team were quite pleased to find that the answers to those questions is YES!

It didn’t take long for many of us on the CSFTL team to become Britax Frontier owners.  The Click Tight System makes a secure installation a snap.

In addition to owning a Frontier, I have the lower-priced, less-featured, yet-still-excellent Pioneer in my collection of seats.  So I was thrilled to have the chance to review a Britax Pinnacle 90 and see how it stacks up to its lower-priced siblings: the entry model, Pioneer and the mid-range model, Frontier.  Stay tuned for a longer comparison post, but for now, the Pinnacle is the star of the show!



CSFTL Quick Stats

  • Forward facing weight limit: 25-90 lbs.
  • Forward facing height limit: 30-58″
  • High back booster weight limit: 40-120 lbs.
  • High back booster height limit: 45-62″
  • Highest harness position: 20.5″
  • Highest booster guide position: 23″
  • Expiration: 9 years
  • Lower anchor weight limit: 38 lbs.


  • Two crotch strap positions
  • Push button lower anchor connectors
  • Click Tight seat belt installation
  • No re-thread harness
  • Recline setting
  • SICT


Harnessed Mode

Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Pinch these two slots on the Britax Pinnacle, then squeeze

The Click Tight System is as simple as it sounds.  Pinch the two slots in the back of the seat with two fingers.  The Click Tight system will open to expose the belt path.

Thread your vehicle’s seat belt through the belt path, remove most of the slack from the lap portion of the belt, then close the cover.  You’ll hear a click indicating that the installation is complete.

LATCH installation (for children 38 pounds or less) is the same process as the seat belt — just thread the lower anchors through the belt path instead and click them into the car’s anchor points.



Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Click Tight System on the Britax Pinnacle

That’s it.  No sweating or grunting, just firm pressure to close the panel.  Though, we learned the hard way that an errant red fish candy can interfere with installation so make sure that nothing is in the way of the seat belt.

The only issue we run into with the Click Tight system is our tendency to pull too much slack out of the seat belt before closing the panel.  This comes from many years installing more traditional seats and it’s a habit that’s hard to break.

Doing this doesn’t leave enough slack for the Click Tight to work properly so the only trick with installing seats with this system is to leave more slack than we normally would.

When it comes time to uninstall the Pinnacle, first, unbuckle the seat belt, then open the Click Tight panel.

My Mazda 5’s third row is a challenge for installing car seats and using boosters so I was eager to see how the Pinnacle performed in that spot.  I had to pull a little more slack out of the belt to get a solid install there but in the end, I was able to get the seat installed in my third row without issue, though the Pinnacle’s headrest extends higher than the ceiling in that position.

Fit to Child: Harness Mode

Britax Pinnacle installs like a dream in the Mazda 5's third row!

Britax Pinnacle installs like a dream in the Mazda 5’s third row!

In harness mode, the Pinnacle fits our model very well; she is 4 years old, 42 lbs and 41.5″.   The harness adjusts smoothly and the no-rethread feature makes adjusting the harness height simple.  It’s just another feature that makes using the Pinnacle properly pretty simple.

The 20.5″ top  harness position makes the Pinnacle and it’s cousin, the Frontier 90, the tallest harnessed seats on the market and two of a very small group with weight limits over 65 lbs. This makes it an excellent choice for bigger kids or special needs children that may need to use a 5 point harness longer. We also LOVE that Britax has set a 2 year, 25 lb minimum to use the Pinnacle, encouraging caregivers to follow best practice and keep kids under 2 rear facing.



EZ-Buckle System

Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Britax EZ Buckle System

The harness includes the EZ-Buckle System, which is basically a big piece of fabric with hard edges that covers the crotch buckle.  This retains the harness buckle in a forward position and prevents the child from sitting on the buckle when boarding.

The Britax Boulevard that my daughter just outgrew also had this feature  — it takes a lot of hassle out of loading her in into the seat.  The EZ Buckle is separately available for purchase and use with Britax seats so I bought one for use with the Pioneer as well.




Crotch Buckle Adjustment

Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

The Britax Pinnacle’s crotch buckle moves easily between positions

Moving the crotch buckle between positions is yet another easy-to-use feature of the seat.  Simply turn the buckle to the side and slide it to the correct position.  There’s no wrestling to uninstall the buckle or re-install it.









Booster Mode
Switching between harnessed and booster mode is fairly simple.  Just lift the Click Tight panel, unhook the ends of the harness from the anchors on the side of the panel, then tuck the harness straps in to the side cushions by the shoulders. The EZ Buckle and crotch buckle fold flat under the seat cushion.  The harness stays attached to the seat so there’s no chance that the harness can get misplaced when not in use.

This video explains the process very well:

Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Britax Pinnacle in booster mode

My booster rider is extremely picky about how cushioned her boosters are.  She found the Pinnacle to be “cushy in parts, but not everywhere.”

Translation: There is foam under the seat pan and behind the headrest, but not behind her back.

Even with the headrest just above the shell of the seat, we found that the seatbelt didn’t retract very well.  Our model struggled with this: “when I bend down just a little, it won’t go back.”  This is a common issue with combination seats — the headrest has to be above the shell in order for the belt to retract easily.

From the front seat, the belt fit is great.  The lap portion fits nicely across her hips and the shoulder sits right in the middle of her shoulder.





Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

2013 Britax Frontier lap belt guide


Older models of the Pinnacle had a smaller plastic piece on the lap belt portion of the booster belt guide.  This made for a less optimal (but still acceptable) lap belt fit.  Britax responded and 2014 Pinnacle has an extra piece that helps to provide an excellent belt fit.






Britax Pinnacle 90, combination seat, hbb, click tight, extended harness, Frontier 90

Britax Pinnacle Lap Belt Guide

This extra flat piece changes the lap belt fit for the better and makes buckling the child in a bit easier.









Side Impact Cushion Technology(SICT)

These big wings on the sides of the seat are energy-absorbing cushions.  They’re designed to reduce side impact crash energy by diverting crash forces before reaching your child and providing extra protection for the adjacent passenger.  Working with the True Side Impact Protection of the headwings and the deep side walls, the SICT cushions add a 3rd layer of protection to the child’s head and neck area.   Currently, there are no federal testing standards for this type of protection so while it’s a convenience feature, we can’t speak to specific benefits of this feature just yet.

The SICT also adds some bulk to the shoulder area of the seat.  While it’s possible that you could install another car seat next to the Pinnacle, the SICT could make that a challenge.

FAA Approval

Initial versions of this trio of seats were  not approved for FAA use, but Britax was able to gain that approval in 2014.  At 26 lbs, the Pinnacle’s weight means isn’t the first seat I’d choose for airplane travel, but the Click Tight System would take a lot of the headaches out of using rental cars or other alternate transportation so it might be worth the tradeoff.  The airplane install doesn’t use the Click Tight system.


Base with SafeCell Technology
The Pinnacle’s base sits fairly flat and is designed to compress in a crash, significantly lowering the center of gravity.  This would reduce the forward movement of the car seat during a crash.  

As a CSPT, I appreciate this safety feature.  As a parent, this translates to a seat that sits low enough that we don’t have to struggle to load my daughter in every time — her convertible seats sat much higher and made it hard for an independent little lady to get herself situated quickly.   Getting her into and out of the Pinnacle requires only a minimal amount of urging, so for us, that’s a big plus. 

Overall Thoughts
The Pinnacle takes all of the best parts of the Pioneer and Frontier and adds a few additional features to this top-of-the-line model.  The end result is a seat that’s simple to install and use properly.

The one real drawback to having all of these features in one seat is that it’s a pretty heavy and bulky seat.  It’s not a great option for installing multiple seats in a row, nor is it lightweight enough to move comfortably between cars on a regular basis.

For caregivers who don’t anticipate moving seats around very often and need a seat that’s a piece of cake to install and use properly, the Pinnacle is an excellent option that’s packed with easy-to-use features.

Britax generously provided the seat used in this review but as always, the opinions expressed in this review are all ours!

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Safety 1st BoostApak Review

Safety 1st BoostApak.  A backpack and a booster!

Safety 1st BoostApak. A backpack and a booster!

The car seat market is full of no back boosters whose entire purpose is to position the belt properly on children who are not ready to use the adult seat belt.  They are available in every price range, from under $14 to close to $100.  Finding one that meets your needs and budget is rather easy.

There are a few no back boosters that have unique qualities.  The Safety 1st Incognito provides a low profile and discreet booster for bigger and older kids; while the BubbleBum provides a niche seat for traveling.  You can inflate and deflate the BubbleBum as needed.

About a year ago, Safety 1st got together with Trunki and brought another unique niche seat into the market. The BoostApak is a booster seat and backpack combined into one.  This provides the ability to keep your child’s trinkets and treasures or books and papers along with their booster seat in one bag.  There are some features about the seat aside from the backpack portion that make it a little bit different from most of the no-back boosters currently on the market, first, let us get down to the nitty-gritty.

CSFTL Quick Stats

  • Backless booster weight range: 40-80 lbs.
  • Backless booster height range: 43-52″
  • Expiration: 10 years
  • Belt guide required


Unboxing the BoostApak is very straightforward — it arrives in a compact box and no assembly is required.  An information sheet is attached to the seat and the manual is located in the backpack portion of the seat, inside a mesh pocket.  Openingsmoosh


ManualThe manual itself is easy to read with large text that’s printed on glossy paper.  It is short and to the point, and contains all the information you need.






Opening Back
The booster portion of the seat is covered with a piece of fabric that is held into place with velcro.  Undoing the velcro, exposes the arms of the booster and the shoulder belt adjuster.  The piece of fabric also doubles as a back to the booster and contains information about how to position the child in the booster.


ArmsDown Button
The arms that are under the fabric are easy to fold up for when the seat is being used in booster mode and easy to fold back down when using the booster as a backpack.  Once the arms are up, simply press the red buttons to fold them back down for storage.


LoopThe shoulder belt adjuster strap comes attached to a fabric loop located by one of the “ears” on the backpack.  The other end is attached to one of two-metal loops on the seat itself.


The seat also has a spot to write your child’s information down on in it ever gets lost or forgotten somewhere.  This is also on one of the “ears.”

Backpack Function

InsideBefore the seat arrived, I was very curious to see just how much stuff would be able to fit in the backpack portion.  I was also curious to see how heavy how the backpack would be with stuff in it because it’s a booster as well.

The backpack portion contains a mesh pocket to keep smaller items separated and a fairly big compartment for stuff.  My oldest daughter was very excited to have her own seat AND a backpack to take stuff with when she goes to a sitter’s house or for a sleepover at Grammie’s house.





What exactly does a 7-year-old put in her Boostapak for a day away? Her blankie, a comb, detangling spray, some ponies, a stethoscope and some crocheting supplies of course! All of this fit quite nicely inside the BoostApak.

Even with all of these necessities inside the BoostApak, it was not too heavy for her
to carry. At 7 years old, she is a tall, but slender child with low-muscle tone, so the weight was a real concern for me.






Discreet Place for Special Items

While reviewing the seat, we made the trek to a friend’s farm to celebrate a birthday. It is summer, and my daughter has some unique medical needs so it is hit or miss whether or not the temperature will be too much for her to handle.  She was thrilled to discover that the BoostApak was the perfect size to fit her cooling vest.







Another friend of CSFTL has the BoostApak and loves that he’s able to go overnight with friends while keeping his feeding tube supplies tucked away in a safe place.  For children with special needs that may require unique equipment, the BoostApak can offer a bit of independence while keeping those special items in a safe, discreet location.









Belt Adjuster

Belt Adjuster

BeltUpCloseUsing the BoostApak is pretty straightforward. However, there are two requirements for positioning the child in the seat that are different from other no back boosters.

1.  The belt positioning clip that comes with the seat must be used with the seat.  It must be attached to the metal loop on the booster that is closest to the vehicle buckle.

2. The shoulder belt must go OVER the arm rest.  The lap belt still goes under both of the arm rests.


For this child, the BoostApak has an excellent belt fit.

Lap Belt fit

Closeup of a really nice lap belt fit

So far, I’ve tried the seat in a PT Cruiser, a 2006 Saturn Ion and a Chrysler Town and Country in multiple positions.  In all of these vehicles, the fit of the lap belt was spectacular.  The shoulder belt was a little iffy in the PT Cruiser and the Town and Country.  The problem is not with the seat in these vehicles.  The problem lies within the vehicles and the geometry of the belts.  In the Town and Country in the third row, the shoulder belts come out from in front of the seat.  The same thing occurs in the PT Cruiser.  The belt fit was acceptable in the captain’s chair of the Town and Country, the middle of the PT Cruiser and in the Saturn Ion.  Another problem occurred with the middle seat of the PT cruiser and with the Saturn Ion.  These seating positions do not offer adjustable head support.  With the height of the BoostApak combined with my daughters lanky stature, she did not have adequate head support in those positions.



  • MeasurementsArmrest Height: 9 inches
  • Seat Height: 6 inches
  • Front to Back Length: 13.5
  • Hip Width: 11.5 inches
  • Thigh Width: 11.5 inches
  • Bottom Width: 14 inches
  • Bottom Length: 15.5 Inches






Overall, this is a fantastic seat that would work wonderfully for a number of specific situations.  My daughter has grown rather fond of this seat and its hidden qualities of storage possibilities.  This works great for traveling or transporting items needed for a day out.  Perfect for a playdate, or a day with a relative.  It would even be perfect to keep in the car for carpooling or for use on your summer getaway!

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Britax Parkway Review

Parkway 06The Britax Parkway has been on the booster seat scene for quite some time. In 2013, however, Britax gave the seat a makeover with some great upgrades.

CSFTL Quick Stats:

  • High back booster weight range: 40-120 lbs
  • High back booster height range: 38-63″
  • Backless booster weight range: 40-120 lbs
  • Backless booster height range: 38-63″
  • Highest booster guide position: 21.5″
  • Expiration: 6 years


  • Lower anchors (SG-L model only)
  • SecureGuard
  • Comfort foam in the seating area
  • EPS foam in the head and torso
  • SafeCell Technology in the base
  • Retractable cupholders


Parkway 01High Back Booster Mode

The Britax Parkway is straightforward to install; simply place on the vehicle seat, adjust the headrest using the one hand adjuster at the top of the seat, and buckle the seat belt over the child. The headrest should be adjusted so that the shoulder belt guide falls just above the child’s shoulder. The Parkway has a feature unique to booster seats: the SecureGuard. The SecureGuard is a clip that goes between the child’s legs and attaches to the lap belt, its purpose is to keep the lap belt in position and help keep the child from submarining under the lap belt in a crash. Use of the SecureGuard is optional, but recommended by Britax. The SecureGuard can be adjusted in length by removing it from the seat and adjusting the strap.

Parkway 03At 6 years old, 43 lbs and 45″,  the model had a great fit in the Parkway. It was a bit of a learning curve for him to get used to threading the belt into the SecureGuard, but after a few days he got the hang of it.

It is important to note that the Parkway has a lower weight threshold of 40 lbs, so it won’t be an option for older, lightweight kids under 40 lbs.




Parkway 02Backless Booster Mode

With an adjustable backrest that allows for up to a 21.5″ seated height, the Parkway is one of the tallest high back boosters on the market. This allows for kids to use the high back several years longer than many other seats. CSFTL recommends use of a high back booster as long as possible; as the structure of a high back helps children stay in position, especially when asleep, and offers the advantage of energy absorbing foam in the head and torso areas.

Parkway 04Once the backrest is outgrown, the Parkway can be converted to a backless booster up to 120 lbs and 63″ and the rider may continue using the SecureGuard. It does not come with a shoulder belt adjuster for backless mode, so it is important to make sure your booster rider has a safe belt fit before moving to backless mode, including a vehicle head restraint behind their head.

The seating width between the armrests is a narrow 10″, so it may not be comfortable for older children with wider hips.



Parkway 05

The Britax Parkway features EPS foam in the headrest and the torso wings, part of their True Side Impact protection designed to absorb energy in the event of a crash. The base features Safe Cell technology, also  helping to absorb energy in a crash. All these features add up to the seat taking the brunt of the crash, rather than the child. There is also ample comfort foam in the seat of the booster, making for a nice comfortable ride.

The shoulder belt guide is open, allowing the seat belt to retract smoothly when buckling and unbuckling.

The 2013 Parkway is available in two models: SG and SG-L; the model shown here is the SG. The  SG-L has the addition of lower anchor connectors which can secure the seat to keep it from becoming a projectile in a crash, when not occupied by a child.

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Britax did not supply the seat used in this review and neither Britax nor sponsored this review. Opinions, as always, are all our own.